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Tuesday, September 20, 2005

Pope's banning gay clergy

I think we all knew this was coming.

Pope Approves Gay Priest Ban:

(Rome) Pope Benedict XVI has reportedly approved a recommendation that gays be barred from the priesthood.

In a report from Rome the conservative Catholic publication Catholic World News says that bishops will be directed to exclude gays from seminaries.

The recommendation is contained in a document prepared by the Congregation for Catholic Education and Seminaries - the body that oversees all Catholic seminaries.

It was delivered to Pope Benedict earlier this month (story) but was not made public because the Vatican did not want it to conflict with the papal visit to Cologne.


There's no doubt about it: the Catholic Church is going to go through some major changes in the upcoming years.

Here's an interesting bit:

CNW reports that the document says that gay men should not be admitted to seminaries even if they are celibate, "because their condition suggests a serious personality disorder which detracts from their ability to serve as ministers."

Priests who have already been ordained "if they suffer from homosexual impulses, are strongly urged to renew their dedication to chastity, and a manner of life appropriate to the priesthood."


You know, I've got a better idea. How about YOU pull your dress-wearing ass out of the middle ages and try practicing some actual, I don't know, lessons that Jesus taught.

Or would you, Ratzie, rather sit up in your little corner of the world, wearing that dress and hat ensemble while you make up rules about us - people who have actully been in love with other people and held relationships with those people.

There's a reason less and less of us young people are affiliating ourselves with your Church.

And one of those reasons is that you are a self-obsessed asshole preaching a religion that should have been reconsidered in the 14th century.

1 Comments:

Blogger Cass said...

To be totally fair (and because, much as I heart you, I think you may not be totally fair in your post here):

-You say, "preaching a religion that should have been reconsidered in the 14th century." As far as I'm aware, one of the ways the Catholic Church works is under the theory that they have not in any way achieved a perfect version of what the Church should be, and therefore they (the Church) must constantly attempt to change/fix themselves until they have achieved perfection (the catch being that 'perfection' is impossible, and therefore the Church will continue changing for all time in its attempt to come closer to God's will on Earth).

In other words, the Catholic Church has been reconsidered multiple times, before the 14th century and after, from the 381 First Council of Nicaea, which really solidified the ideas that formed the Nicene Creed (the "We believe in the one God [...] the maker of heaven an earth" thingy -- which back then, was like, really important to say straight out like that), to the 1215 Fourth Lateran Council, which really went all out again clergy who did un-clerical things (like get drunk and go whoring), to the 1965 Vatican II, which, among other things, changed the role of nuns in the world and declared that Masses should be given in the native languages of the area instead of in Latin.

Basically, I think your charge here is an unfair one. That the Church has not yet achieved all the perfection we would like does not mean that it's not trying, or that it remains static with its errors.

-Following on that, Ratzinger, and indeed the Catholic Church, has had addled thoughts on the subject of homosexuality for years, if not centuries. (I find this letter, "On the Pastorial Care of Homosexual Persons," to be a fascinating read on the subject.) The Church has, I believe, always been against the act of homosexuality (or having "particular friends") within the Church. I'm not terribly surprised that Ratzinger went ahead and went full out against gays in the church. Disappointed, yeah, but not surprised.

-I think you go way overboard when it comes to mocking the pope's style of dress, particularly the, uh, "dress" aspects of it. Remember what Our Lord Eddie Izzard says: "Most transvestites fancy girls." Also, the famous attribution to the Pope: "What have you been reading? The gospel according to St. Bastard?"

In all seriousness, not cool with the clothing mocking. Transvestism is no sign of homosexual activity; it's a historical costume with major significance; and anyway, it's a lot easier to make fun of the Vatican's Swiss guards.

12:51 PM

 

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